Showing posts with label Interviews. Show all posts
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Wednesday, August 18, 2010

Artist Interview With Lee-Ann Rose

Lee-Ann Rose stopped in at the Bat & Ball to participate in a Songwriters Session. She started the night with 3 original songs and she set the bar pretty high. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to follow her.

She sang three original songs: Don't Take the Girl; Cold, Cold Night; and Take a Look. After her mini-set, Lee-Ann (or just Rose if you know her well) met up with The Metro Gnome and we got to talking about her work.

Lee-Ann and her 2 girls, 11 and 12, live in Yass, NSW - a bit of a hike from everywhere actually - so I decided to start the interview by learning what took her there. Turns out, like almost everything else in her life, ther reason was music....

The Metro Gnome: Why do you live in Yass? Do you have family in Yass?

Lee-Ann Rose: No. Yass, really, if you look at the map, is perfect. You're 2+ hours from Sydney, 40 mins from Canberra, 3 1/2 - 4 hours from Melbourne, 14 or so from Adelaide, and 12 - 13 hours from Brisbane. It's like the perfect little spot for travelling. I bought a home there. It was cheap. It's in the country - on the Hume Highway. I bought it about 4 years ago. I was going to fix it all up. I wanted a studio - that was my dream. But the house had too much renovating. So I had to get out.

TMG: Can you write and record at your home now?

LR: Yes - I've got my own little studio at home. That's my passion. I do love performing, I do. But I do like to write. To have someone else playing my songs that's the goal. Writing and recording.

TMG: Why do you think that the writing inspires you more that performing?

LR: I don't know. It's more of an achievement. For me. It would be such an achievement to have other people singing one of your own songs. To have so many people around the world - or even the country - and I'm not even looking for the pat on the back. Just to have people walking down the street and singing my songs - that would be the ultimate.

TMG: A big compliment.

LR: Yeah - you can change the way that people think with a song - because music is so powerful. It brings out emotions in people. You can make people feel happy, make them feel sad. Cry. It's so powerful.
Getting out there!

TMG: Are you a professional muso? Is that all you do?

LR: Yeah, pretty much.

TMG: And you're able to make ends meet - that's great. How do you get your gigs? Do you have a manager?

LR: No, I do it all myself. I just get out there and get amongst it - I've never been out of work ever. In 15 years I've never been out of work.

TMG: How have you created that network?

LR: I don't know. You just meet someone and play with them and they say "Hey, come and play with me at this pub." And then you meet that manager and then that manager moves to a new pub. Then people just like your music, and they talk to you and invite you to play. That's all I've really done. I've never really gone down the managing path. A couple of times I looked at a few contracts. I've said no to all of 'em. I'd love to have a manager now to get some of the pressure off - especially now with the album. I'd probably like that. But, I'll see how the album goes first.

TMG: Do you do festivals?

LR: Yes

TMG: Do you like them?

LR: Yes, totally. It's great. You get to play for 40 minutes and then you get to watch everybody else

TMG: Do you get to see other people play often?

LR: No that's another thing that attracted me to nights like this is seeing other people play. And that's the good thing - seeing and playing with people like Dai (Pritchard). He's a rock God and I'm a country chick - he'll play a riff that kind of sparks something and it might not happen that week - but it finds it's way in - and it comes through my music. And that's what I like. I love being educated really. Musically.
Recording...

TMG: How do you get the money to invest in the album?

LR: That's the reason it has taken so long - because I haven't had money. That little cheap house that I bought.... I bought it at the right time and now the prices have gone up. I sold the house for way, way above what I bought it for....

TMG: That'll help you to fund the musicians?

LR: Yeah... well, that has never been the problem. Getting the right musicians has never been the problem. Having the right producer - that's the biggie.

TMG: How did you pick a producer?

LR: Well, he's an old friend. I've known Bill (Chambers) for many, many years. And we've worked together many times. About 2 years ago, I'd had enough, I said, "I'm going to quit. I'm going to get a full time job. Blah, blah, blah." [Bill] rang me up out of the blue and wanted me to do some co-writing. I hadn't seen him for about 2 years. He said, "Don't you dare quit." And I said, "Nope, I've had enough." He said, "Don't quit, don't quit." He said, "You've got to do an album." And I said, "No, I'm too old." And he told me not to quit. He totally convinced me that I wasn't too old. He said that I'm into the good stuff now. And he said, "Come and do an album."

Age is always considered to be a factor for some people. Some people believe if they haven't made it in their 20s that they won't make it at all. At The Metro Gnome, we reject that conclusion. We believe that talented, driven people can make it at any age. Don't use age as an excuse not to move forward and pursue a dream. Continuously hone your skills and keep aspiring for what you want.

TMG: What steps are you taking for the recording?

LR: Basically I've brought about 25 songs. Bill and I are going to sit there and sift through them all. And I'm looking for his advice and direction on what makes the album. I like the songs and I've got a really good idea about production but what I don't know about what sits well in an album. He really knows that stuff and I don't. Song selection, what instruments to be used. Basically Bill saw all of my new material about 3 months ago. We haven't actually worked together for about 2 years, so he was dying to see the new stuff I was working on. I've been on a bit of a journey for the last few years. Moving from very soft stuff to working with people like Dai, in a band, for example - it was loud, it was rock. It was cool, but I've toned it down a bit. I've gone from that [soft] to that [rock] and now I want to go back a bit [somewhere in-between]. I've learned so much. It was great - the musicianship and their knowledge and being educated... just learning. I really feel like I'm at a level now where I know what I want with production.... So that's what we'll be working on for the next two days.



MG: I'm a bit embarrassed to ask this question. I feel like I might stick my foot directly into my mouth. But I have to ask.... Lee-Ann Rose is such a beautiful name, and yet the first person I think about when I hear it is Lee-Ann Rhymes - Is that because I'm from the US?

LR: No, I get that all the time. It's shocking. And I've been talking to friends about this. And my name is a problem. I really need for my name to be meaningful. [People say,] "Oh, Lee-Ann Rhymes," and I'm like "No." It's not a made up name - it's a real name. I'm actually thinking about dropping Lee-Ann and just going with Rose. That's my name.

TMG: Is that a compromise that you shouldn't have to do?

LR: I've thought about that, too. But, no. It's been something - since I was 4 years old, I've hated my name. I hated Lee-Ann. So to me, I'm happy to drop it. Just Rose. But my friends call me Rose all the time. "Hey Rose, get over here!" They call me Rose. They text me - Rose.

TMG: Is that your surname?

LR: No, it's my middle name. I'm glad that you mentioned that actually.
Songwriting....

TMG: OK, tell us about co-writing. How do you write with someone else? Maybe we should start with how you write?

LR: I don't know.... hmmmm..... It's really hard.

TMG: Say it's the morning and you walk into the studio with a cup of coffee, and - do you have a piano?

LR: Yeah, I only just got a piano after 14 years.

TMG: Ok - so you have a coffee, and a piano, and a guitar, and probably another guitar, and you sit down to write. What happens?

LR: Absolutely nothing. [She laughs - a big hearty laugh.]

TMG: Do you sit there and play chords and just finally play something.....

LR: If I'm on the guitar or something I'll get a groove happening. And I'll hear something really good. Then I get ahead of myself - thinking about all of the production and I haven't even written a word yet. I have to be careful about that and I get to the point that I'm so drained mentally of all this vision that I don't end up writing anything.

TMG: What about the song about Sydney - coming back from Sydney (Cold, Cold Night). Was an emotion driving the song versus chords and groove?

LR: [She paused to think about that one....] That was the first real song I've written like that in a long time. To be honest, I really let myself be exposed in that one. And that's a rare thing. I don't know - I was in a blue mood

TMG: Do you usually write songs about yourself or stories about other people.

LR: Other people always - whereas in that one... I really came out. I think every song has a bit of you in it - you look at yourself and you're using what you know so it is about you in a way. But when it touches other people....

TMG: OK, so... now, how do you approach writing with someone? When someone asks you to co-write with them - what are they asking you to do?

LR: It's almost like taking your clothes off. I really believe that. It's really embarrassing. Embarrassing. It was really funny because I co-wrote with this guy and he asked me, "What are you thinking about? What are you doing? Sing anything." And I wanted to sing all this stuff - I wanted to belt it out, but I said, "Oh, I've got some stuff.... Later." I've just gotta know the person more before I can let them see me.

TMG: So, you edit as you go?

LR: Yeah - I don't just let it out.
Advice for aspiring musicians....

TMG: If you were to give aspiring musicians advice - what would it be?

LR: Get over it. (She giggles.) No, I'd say go for it - I think it just happens anyway. I don't think it's about people saying that they want to do something. They just do it. Show that they're going to do it. With some kids... they're 16 years old and they're strumming a guitar. And some have got it and some... haven't. And you know that within 12 months time that most of them never touch that guitar again. There's just one out of 20, 30, 40 that just never gives up. And they're at it all the time. And they just keep playing and getting better.

A few final thoughts...

TMG: What do you think about the exposure your kids get to music - what they get through school?

LR: There should be more of it - lots more of it. My girls, well, obviously they're around it all the time. Because I've got my own studio, my oldest is like, "Mummy record me, please!" She's been singing on stage now - and she's got it going on. At the same time, I don't want her to do it because it's what I do. I want to make sure it's really her passion. And I think it is, but I don't want to get too excited about that yet....

TMG: Not to be a pageant mother?

LR: Exactly. I act a bit dumb towards it. In actual fact I'm probably non-supportive - I'm a bit cold towards it.

TMG: Make her drive it forward....

LR: Basically, yeah. She'll have to do the hard yakka. But at the same time, I tell did say to her, "If that's your dream, if that's your goal, darling - and if you still want to do it when you're 18.... You're not playing in pubs, kid." I'll help her any way I can. So she doesn't end up on a path - gig after gig after gig. I just don't want my daughter in that scene.

TMG: Knowing that The Metro Gnome is all about taking the next step, are there other messages that you'd offer to other musicians?

LR: Don't waste time. Don't do what I've done do. Advice? Get in there, boots and all, and shake the trees big time. Don't wait. I wish I'd done that 10 years ago.

John Swan Teaches Us How To Sing

"We're lucky when we play music that we get to take this journey. It's better than sex. Drugs. Rock & Roll. Drink. Whatever it is. Nothing is as personal as your relationship with your instrument. And what do you get out of it? Why do guitar players sit there over and over and try to work out a guitar solo? And then they get up there and it's over in a couple of seconds. They do it because they're passionate about what they do."

John Swan (aka Swanee)
That quote came from John Swan (Swanee) - one of Australia's most talented vocalists. John's musical beginnings were in Adelaide, where he started as a drummer. After a few years he slid into a lead vocal role and he's never looked back. You might not know that John has gone through an amazing personal journey over the past few years: first coming to terms with his alcoholism and then coming to terms with his sobriety. But, his musical journey is far from over - in fact he's pining for the next challenge in his musical career. With a fresh band, he's putting together a compilation of some new songs as well as some new renditions of old favourites for a series of tours in 2005.

In the midst of all the creative work John is doing, he has discovered something else that provides him with a great deal of joy, teaching. And, not surprisingly, he has become one of Australia's most sought after vocal coaches. His own personal technique has been harnessed and he now shares the seeds of his natural gift with aspiring singers all across Australia. John talked to The Metro Gnome - we were hoping to get a few insights into what it takes to be a great vocalist - and we did!

"When I started teaching, I thought it would just get me by when I wasn't working live. But the deeper I got into it the more I realised that I had to learn about it in order to explain what the voice does, how the vocal system is set up. I had to go a lot deeper into it than I expected. So I took about 2 years to study it.

"I went onto every website I could get my hands on. I read every book written by vocal teachers - guys like Seth Riggs, Jeffery Allan - two Americans - between them they coach just about everybody: from Stevie Wonder right through to Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson, Al Jerrod - you name it. Their techniques, and mine, are basically to just elevate the tone from your speaking voice into your singing voice.

Swanee Playing in Adelaide
"I was pretty lucky because I was doing the right thing unconsciously. And I didn't know it at the time which was a great thing for me because I didn’t have to adjust. As I went through I found that all the techniques that I was trying to get my students to do, I was doing naturally."

Students

"My students are interested in different music styles from classical to rock. Some use too much falsetto and not enough chest voice. Most don't like the fact that their voice separates - their tone doesn't connect the way they want it to. I start with the basics of how it works physically and then take them on a journey to practice technique and refine their own style.

The Physical Workings

"Your voice is made up of air and vibration. When air is blowing up from the diaphragm through the vocal chords it takes a great sweeping passage right around the top of your head to the mask - the bone around the eyes, the nose, the cheeks - and bone is where the resonation comes from. In the mask, being the top end of your voice, we get all of that brilliance from the tone. All of your bottoms and mids come from your sternum and your rib cage. The air blowing through that is taken up into the mouth. The biggest problem that I find that most people have is the blend of those two.

"To solve that you need to use the whole instrument instead of the parts. Don't close down the back of the throat. If you drop your jaw and allow the opening of the throat to become a little bit bigger, it allows the tone to drop from the head voice down into the mouth, and the tones from the chest voice to be blown up to the mouth to be equally distributed. I think the shortest was to look at it is that you want to get the largest amount of air you can get into your mouth. Your projection point should be about 6-8 inches away from the mount like a reverse megaphone.

"From then own it's your own special gift.

"Some people think [singings is] a great difficulty. My hardest thing is to convince them that singing is the easiest thing in the world. It's much easier than talking. All you have to do is stop looking for something difficult about the process of watching the path that your voice takes. Keep the air constant. Keep the flow open through the throat. Don't restrict the throat.

"And practice, practice, practice so that singing comes naturally."


Practice and Progress

Among a host of traditional vocal exercises, John uses and recommends scales that keep the air flowing consistently through to the end of the note. He also talked about another exercise that is anything but easy.

"There’s a thing called messe di voce; it is a classical exercise and people say it's the highest technical exercise for singing; and it's just one note. You just sing one note for 20 seconds and increase the volume. You start off softly and get louder and louder without any breaks or wobbles - just a pure note. And then you go up to 30 seconds. And then you vary the volume between soft and loud."

From The Gnome: I tried to do this exercise. I worked on it for over 30 minutes and recorded myself. I never made it to 20 seconds and, when I listened to the recordings, I found wobbles - not in pitch so much as in strength - but wobbles nonetheless. I have every intention of doing this exercise until I can do it for at least 20 seconds. Go on! You try it. Let us know how you go.


How do you know how you’re doing? To expose strengths or weaknesses, record your voice alone. Sing into a separate channel so that you can later take out all of the other instruments and expose just your raw voice.

Personal Style - Interpretation

"Get the basics right first. Bring me a note perfect rendition before you bastardise it and distort it into something that you want to call "your interpretation." Just give me a pure tone first; then take it to where you want to. As long as you can show me where it comes from and you can give me a pure note and the note doesn't pitch all over the place, you can then add the gravel to it, or add the blues sound, or you can take it to a falsetto - in a softer voice, but still with the bottom end to it."

John recommends that beginners start with simple songs that have really nice melodies and pure tone; songs like Better Be Home Soon (Crowded House) and Yesterday (The Beatles); songs with nice open ended melodies.


To become a great vocalist - listen to great vocalists

John Swan - Bright Lights
"Some people are really fortunate and they are blessed with a good voice. Well, I don't think it's that they are blessed with a good voice, as much as that they listened to the right people who have good tone, good technique, and they prefer that style of vocals. I think Mossy (Ian Moss) is one of those voices.... You know there're a lot of them around. You hear Jimmy (Barnes) singing some soul stuff and you can hear all the way back to his roots - from Sam and Dave back to the early stuff that we listed to. I was listening to people like Etta James, Nat King Cole, Pavarotti, Donny Hathaway, Stevie Wonder... a whole bunch of different types of artists.

"Go back in time to tested and true vocal greats to look for inspiration and style. And then go back some more. Pick anyone who does it well with good tone expression and soul. Listen to the greats like Nat King Cole, Tony Bennett, and Etta James, Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, Gladys Knight...."

Lessons

John has a lot of people come to take lessons for about a month to get their voices into shape.

"When you go to a gym it doesn’t matter how big you want to get, how fit you want to get, how strong you want to get - to be a lean, keen fighting machine you still need to train as hard. Just not with big weights. So I would get them to do exercise and lighten the exercise to what they want to do.

Practice is the Key to Great Performances... Repetition, Repetition, Repetition

"If someone is serious about it they need to practice everyday. This is a repetition thing. If you think you've done it too many times, do it once more and then come back to me and tell me about it. Because repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition.... It’s the key to a great performance.

"If you are panicking. If you are uncomfortable. If you are having an anxiety attack. (Which I do have - since getting sober and getting up on stage - it's a different person that's up on stage.) But I can dig deep into my well of "been there that many times" and pull out something that is not really there. That's what the human spirit can do.

How does a teacher or a coach help?

"I'm going to invade your comfort zone and make your comfort zone as uncomfortable as I possibly can. And stretch you right to the boundaries. Where you may be flustered with me. I'm going to push the limit of your comfort zone to stretch your boundaries. When it's no longer uncomfortable your comfort zone is bigger - and then we do it again.

"It's not the number of notes that come out of your mouth; it's that every note that comes out of your mouth is disciplined."

Gnome Links:
  • John Swan has a website where you can find out everything going on in his career. http://www.swanee.com.au
  • John mentioned Seth Riggs - Seth has an exceptional reputation for his speech level singing training program. You can find out more here: http://www.sethriggs.com/.
  • John also mentioned Jeffrey Allen - Jeffrey is also on the top of the list when it comes to improving vocal performance. Here is his website: http://www.vocalsuccess.com/

Artist Interview With Stacey Morris

Stacey Morris isn't new to the Australian music scene - she's been singing professionally for almost 3 decades - but she's in a new genre, with new goals, with her own name on the line, and with a completely new outlook.
In the 80s Stacey rocked the house down. She worked in cover bands like Sydney-based Stormy Monday and toured Australian stages belting out the lyrics of Meatloaf and Fleetwood Mac. Her stage presence and saucy attitude resonated with her audiences; she made the shows come alive.

So it might come as a surprise to some of her fans of old to find Stacey at the Tamworth Country Music Festival singing beautiful country songs from her own recently released CD, Borders and Boundaries. Stacey has created a fabulous mix of songs with American country roots. She selected songs that moved her and that spoke to her own unique style. And her hard work hasn't gone unnoticed: Stacey was nominated for the Country Music Association's Golden Guitar award for top female vocalist - she made the top 10 in that category which catapulted her into a prestigious group that included Kasey Chambers, Melinda Schneider, Sara Storer and Beccy Cole.

The Metro Gnome caught up with Stacey in late January. She was singing at the Bankstown Sports Club on a nice, large stage with a full band behind her and a full audience. But, Stacey wasn't performing her songs from Borders and Boundaries to a room full of devoted fans; she was crooning old standards to a full house of pensioners. Why? Well, there's a lot to learn from Stacey in this interview. Some of her insights and some of the things that she's doing are universal truths for all musicians. We asked her candid questions and she gave us candid answers....

TMG: It doesn't seem like there's a lot of money out there for original work or for people who are performing as original artists. How does that make you feel?

SM: [It] gives me the shits. Because I can come here and sing all of this stuff (cabaret) and get paid $700 to sing for a 40 minute spot and that sort of thing. In some ways you're selling yourself short... but you're not because you're getting yourself out there and you're doing what you love and you're entertaining the crowds - so that's good.

If people don't know your stuff then they don't want to hear it. Don't you think? Original stuff. Unless they know the songs. That's how I felt at the Rocks the other day 'cause I was doing all the stuff off my album, but people seemed to love it because I incorporated a bit of the old stuff into it as well.

TMG: You do one cover on the CD, don't you?

SM: So Far Away is a Carole King cover I do on the CD. But we totally changed the style of it. I actually got a t-shirt from Carole King 'cause she was quite happy with the way I did it. So she sent me a t-shirt. That was nice of her. (We laughed.)

TMG: "I love your work - now here's a shirt."

SM: "Yeah with my name on it - Carole King" (she laughs). Anyway, starting from scratch is hard work.

TMG: You play the guitar when you perform your songs from the CD. Yet you don't consider yourself a guitar player. Can you tell me about the pressure you feel to play?

SM: Well I can play chords, but I'm not a guitar player. With country stuff they want you to be able to play the guitar and play it properly, so you can go out on your own. A lot of the gigs [are] unplugged gigs. Whereas I want to get out there with a band. But on the money side of it - you can't afford to get a band - it's bullshit.

Lessons Learned?

Play your songs. Repetition is important. You have to play your songs over and over and over again to ensure that people start to recognise them.

Promote your covers. Always tell the original artist that you are covering their song and send him/her a copy - see if you can get a response.

Work other jobs. You have to make ends meet in the mean time and that might mean performing stuff that isn't your own to make enough money.

Be able to perform solo. You might not have enough money to pay a band to perform your own songs, so learn an instrument or learn how to sing and take your songs out on the road.

SM: A lot of people are saying, "You've done so much in such a short time," and I think that's got a lot to do with Sue [Stanbridge, Stacey's manager] and her marketing. Everything is happening really quickly. Which is good. But, I think there are comments out there from other performers that have been, well they think..."Oh Jeez, you're getting your name out there really quickly." And I say, "I have been around a long time, you know. A lot longer than you think. It's just that I haven't been concentrating on country music." That's where my passion is and that's what I wanted to do. Sue gave me the dollars to do it, and we said "Let's go for it!"

TMG: How important is the marketing then?

SM: Very important! Marketing is key. And you've got to have lots of money behind you. And someone just flogging you every time you do something - like if I get a bit of chart success or my video comes out or I got nominated for the top 10 female vocalist - a press release goes out. So everybody knows what's going on and they say, "Oh, Stacey Morris!" The ones that ignore it eventually say, "Shit, this chick's getting all of this publicity - we'd better listen to her." But now our strategy is to try and get a major label and get sponsorships. 'Cause that's what I noticed - a lot of the big players - they've all got sponsorships and major labels behind them.

Lessons Learned?

Use the press. Repetition is important, part II. A band needs to hit the market over and over and over to ensure that the message gets through to even the most stubborn of people. Targeted press releases are a must for any artist trying to get their name out there. Send your recordings and press releases to record companies to get their attention. Let them know when you are performing and invite them to attend each session. And more than just one. Keep telling people what is happening. Just make sure that it is "press worthy."

Look for appropriate contests and awards opportunities. Find all of the possible awards you could be nominated for and get active in nominating yourself or in having others nominate you. These are a way to get your music listened to by new people and a way to create "press worthy" events.

Solicit sponsors - genuinely. Sponsorships are a great way to raise your profile (and are a good "press worthy" announcement), but they don't get you work - only your music gets you work. Sponsorships are a business proposition between the artist and the sponsor. They are 2-way relationships. The artist MUST bring something to the sponsor and vice versa. Don’t approach a potential sponsor expecting to get something for nothing. Represent and endorse companies and products you believe in to the core and make sure you give back to them as much as you get from them. The result will be a long lasting relationship built on trust.

TMG: How important is singing to you?

SM: (A long pause.) It's my life. That's all I do. That's all I know how to do.

TMG: Who inspired you to start singing?

SM: No one really inspired me. My mum just pushed me out there and made me do it, because she wanted a little protege. So it was basically my mum who said, "Well she's got a bit of talent, so keep it going."

Lessons Learned?

Commit. Commit yourself 100% to your job no matter what you do. You could tell when she got out onto the stage that, even though it was cabaret and not her own songs, she loved singing to the audience and gave it 100%.

Work with children. Inspire children to perform. The benefits of music are immeasurable - music improves attention, learning, math, organisation, and confidence. Did I mention that it's also "press worthy?"

TMG: What sort of advice would you give to people who are just starting in the industry?

SM: Don't sleep with the guitar player. (We both crack up!)

TMG: So what are your goals and aspirations now?

SM: I want to make money out of the album so I can pay Sue back. 'Cause she paid a lot of money.

The Borders and Boundaries film clip came out today (TMG: January 30) on high rotation on CMC - the Country Music Channel. High rotation means that they play it at least 3 times a day for at least 8 weeks. And it's now charting at 29 with a bullet (TMG: now at 23). So it's getting a lot of airplay out in the country.

TMG: When you say that you are looking for a sponsorship or a major label is that to do something else like a new album?

SM: Yeah, I want to do another album, but I also want to do another filmclip because there are 3 or 4 good songs on the album. I want to do a filmclip for Moonlight & Roses, a filmclip for I Don't Know and one for Astroturf. I've got like 3 more that I want to do. And it costs a fortune to do 'em.

Lessons learned?

Be confident and persistent. Be confident in your material and committed to making your current work sell. Even if she gets a major label involved, notice that Stacey's not looking for the next album yet - she's looking to explore all of the possibilities of Borders and Boundaries before she moves onto new material.


Stacey needed to get onstage (Jeff the MC was up on stage singing a rousing rendition of the theme from "The Love Boat" - the punters loved it!) I asked her if she wanted to say anything more.... She only had some advice for me:

SM: Make it honest. Because I find a lot of people don't. They say "Oh, you've got to say you like this one or that one." And I think, "Well that's not my favourite music, I like American country."

Without getting people offside... I think there's no one here doing my sort of country music. Good harmonies, good melody, and good strong stories to tell.

I make money out of doing the cabaret shows and the one man band things. But I don't want to do that, I want to get Borders and Boundaries out on the road with a band.

And I bet she'll do just that.

Gnome Links:
  • To learn more about Stacey, look at her website: http://www.staceymorris.com.au/
  • To find out how to write a press release (and to determine what information is actually "press worthy") click here http://www.pressrelease.com.au/ 
Picture: Stacey in ~1987 in Stormy Monday - Gotcha! :)

Artist Interview: Ian Moss

Thank goodness the weather broke.  I wasn't looking forward to sweating it out while I interviewed arguably the best guitar player in Australia, Ian Moss.  But Sydney's early summer heat took a break on Thursday morning, and I took advantage of the cool air.
Preparing for this interview was a great experience for me.  Being both from the US and a few years too young to experience Ian's playing in the 70s and early 80s, I needed to thoroughly research his playing as a member of Cold Chisel and in his solo work (i.e. I got to listen to a lot of great music).  I also took the opportunity to talk to quite a few of the people who have played with Mossy in the last few years.  I wanted the inside scoop so that I could ask questions that would stimulate both us and Ian.
Best of all, I got to see Ian perform live at The Eagle on the Hill on the outskirts of Adelaide.  It was his last tour performance of 2004 and it didn't disappoint.  He came out with a single, beautiful, loved, white Strat and showed off his lovely guitar skills for over 2 hours.  Vocally, I was impressed as well.  Ian has great range and fabulous interpretation - his live performance was better than I expected.  My only disappointment of the evening was not getting to hear him sing his rendition of Georgia.  Guess I'll have to go again....  :-)
A bit nervously, I introduced myself to him that night.  The interview had been organized ahead of time, but, with Adelaide being his second home town, there were a lot of old friends and family around Ian that night.  He stayed up until the wee hours of the morning getting caught up on the goss'.  I wanted to give him some time to relax now that his tour was finished, so we decided to do the interview in Sydney later that week.
We met at Music 101, a new music shop in Annandale owned and managed by Rocco Pezzano (great keyboard player, FYI).  For the interview, Rocco offered me a quiet table to sit at and coffee.  I thought it was be the perfect place to catch up....  Rocco made us 2 flat whites and we were off....
The Metro Gnome:  Was that the last show for the year or is anything else coming up?
Ian Moss:  No that was it.
TMG:  Was it a good tour?
IM:  Um, well yeah, I suppose.....  I haven't actually done a tour in ages  It's just sort of go out and do a couple of gigs here, then come home, then do a couple of gigs there.  That sort of thing.
TMG:  That's what Dave [Blight - harmonica player] said, he said it was sort of a weekend thing....
IM:  Yeah.
TMG:  Were the crowds responsive?
IM:  Absolutely, yeah.  Overall they've been really positive.  It's a good period at the moment.
TMG:  Good in your life, in your career, where?
IM:  All things really.  I was thinking mainly career-wise, I'm just still amazed at the kind of the level of respect, the adulation, or whatever there is out there.  I keep going out to gigs thinking oh I hope they really like us.  But just everywhere we go there's this crowd ready, going, "We like you.  Just go for it."  And all we have to do is play.
TMG:  I talked to a lot of people about whether or not ----
IM:  (Into the recorder) The coffee needs more milk - are you hearing this Rocco?  (We laughed.)
TMG:  You're certainly not forgotten, that's for sure.  I told quite a few people that I would be interviewing you, and I got an amazing response.  From the guitars players especially.  They respect your playing and they just love to listen to the work, love to go to your gigs, love to watch you play.  I was really happy to have the camera there on Sunday because I had a reason, an excuse, to walk right up to the stage and watch you play.  To see your technique.
IM:  Thanks.
TMG:  Just as some background, The Metro Gnome is for musicians - of all levels - new, never started, want to get back into music, play today - anything.  Lots of different levels.  And there's certainly an age group of people who might be starting to get serious.  So this next question is aimed to help them make some of the right moves to achieve their ambitions....
When you moved from Alice Springs to Adelaide, what were your expectations?  What did you think you'd be able to accomplish?
IM:  I don't know.  Typically at that age you're pretty driven.  And just excited about the world - this fantastic oyster to be discovered and explored.  Everything's positive and your head's just totally into music.  I lived it.  Breathed it.  Slept it.  Ate it. 
TMG:  Did you know anybody in Adelaide when you got there?
IM:  No, not really.  The biggest encouragement was my sister.  Really.  She was a fantastic, positive influence.  She, like my older brother, who sort of left town before my older sister did, was....  They were fairly driven as well and kind of believed that you had to get out of Alice Springs if you really wanted to get ahead, and at that time you really had to.  But it was a really hard thing to do.  Just growing up in a small country town, it was so hard, such a brave thing to do to get up and move away from all of your friends and go off to Adelaide.  It was so big - it might as well have been New York. 
TMG:  Exactly.
IM:  A big, frightening, cold city.  And a long way from home.  It was a definite departure.  Because Alice Springs is 1000 miles away, not 1000 kilometres - it wasn't like, "Hey I'll just pop home for the weekend.  You were up and gone.  But my sister just sort of talked to me at the end of my third year of high school.  My mother was trying to get me into some sort of boarding school and that kind of just freaked me out and I wanted to back out of that.  And I pretty much got the adolescent blues.  And between adolescent blues and music I ended up flunking that year.  My sister said, "Look, if you're going to repeat, you might as well go somewhere new."  She really talked it up big.  It was great.  She said, "This is the place to be.  Great bands, great music.  It's where you want to be.  Come down and get out of Alice." 
And it was a really healthy live scene those days.  There seemed to be bands playing everywhere and all sorts of venues.  In those days all of the venues were non-alcoholic.  I was 16.  Back then, early 70s there was an amazing influence from - and I don't know whether it would have been the same scene without the influence of - the British migrants and the Elizabeth thing - that was a massive influence.  I mean they weren't all necessarily from England, there was plenty of local talent, but they seemed to really push it along and some fantastic musicianship came out of the British migrants....
TMG:  On your first album, you played a salmon pink Strat.  Do you remember that guitar?
IM:  Yeah, that was probably on the first on the Cold Chisel album. 
TMG:  Some people have told me that that is the best sounding guitar they've ever heard.  And one person told me a rumour about the guitar almost disintegrating just because you played it so much.  Do you know what happened to that Strat?  Is there a story?
IM:  Yes, there's a bit of a story.  Starting with the fact that I think there was, I'm not 100 percent sure, but I think it was an original 62-63 L series Stratocaster with that wonderful pink colour, and the paint coming off.  And I bought it off the brother of a family friend in Alice Springs.  That's where the guitar was at the time and I heard about it.  And I got it fairly cheap, it was $250 in 1978.  I always felt I must confess that - well, it wasn't as much deception - but it was deception by silence.  I just asked him how much did he want for it.  And he said $250.  And I said OK.  It was worth a lot more than that.
TMG:  So, he didn't know how much it was really worth?
IM:  No.  At the time, I wasn't particularly rich.  It was well before any successes, so it suited my wallet.
TMG:  So what happened to the guitar?
IM:  Oh yeah.  Moving on from that...  Before that I was sort of a Gibson 335 person.  But then I finally got the Strat up and running.  Did a couple of things to it - changed the frets on it - did what everyone did in the 80s.  Started messing around with these things.  Which isn't wise in hindsight, it's sort of a criminal act.  But then again, I probably would have always changed the frets - I like big frets.  Played it for a couple of years and then did the usual guitar playing thing of always messing around with your sound.  Never being happy with your sound.  You get this new pedal.  Try this new amp.  Get this guitar.  Try this sound with the guitar.  And think "Ah great, this is fantastic - I've go the best sound in the world."  Then, three months later, you think, "ah, nah, gotta change it."  And that's the way I got with that guitar.  I kinda got sick of it and said, "No, that's not right, I've got to change it." 
That was at the beginning of the spare parts industry.  I think one of the first companies on the scene was Schecter - Schecter guitars - where they started building, not necessarily whole guitars, they probably did, but you could buy bodies and necks and all the parts.  And they started using exotic woods.  They started campaigning, "Use this timber to get this kind of sound."  So, Schecter, one of the timbers they used to use was this one called, African Walnut.  And it was really hard, dense wood - it actually had just virtually no warmth, body resonance whatsoever, but the thing was "So hard, mate, the sustain, you can go out and have a bite and come back and it'll still be going...."  You know, how it was so beautifully portrayed in Spinal Tap?  Amongst millions of other things where you look at it and say, "Man, I did that."  And then you shrink into your seat with embarrassment.  (He smiles.)
So I did that.  And I got talked into selling the body off for one of these Schecter things.
TMG:  Did you get more than $250 for it?
IM:  No, but I probably got $250 for the body; I suppose I'm doing pretty well, because I paid for the guitar.  In the meantime, the luthier that bought it off me sort of convinces someone else to part with their original '62 neck and gave them a Schecter neck and then put our two bits together and could say, "Look an L Series guitar - original."  And he probably sold it for 1000 percent mark up.
But, the first criminal thing I did before that, though, was to get it painted.  All this beautiful pink paint coming off, and I said, "Na, that's no good."  So we got this ridiculous blue-burst with this light blue and a dark blue and black on the outside.  And then the big Schecter sell off came. 
So that's what happened to that.  But I hung onto the neck for years and years and went through just various bodies.  And two years later I wondered, "Why do I have this thin, hard sound?"  And I thought, "Maybe it has to do with this body, this African Walnut wood that weighs 6 tonnes."
Mind you, it's weird 'cause I also had a Telecaster that was made out of exactly the same timber, and a beautiful old neck an original Telecaster 68 neck.  And somehow that guitar, with the right pickups in it was a great sounding Telecaster.  A really warm sounding Tele. 
TMG:  Do you play with all of these bits and pieces of your guitars yourself, or do you have other people put them together for you?
IM:  No, I'm sort of a handyman's arsehole - both my brothers are really good with their hands, but....
TMG:  So you let other people tweak it?
IM:  Yeah, I just take it in and let someone else do it.  No, I wouldn't dare, I just know for sure I'd stuff it up.... 
TMG:  I have heard that you have used active pickups, rather than passive pickups (of course, I had to ask what the difference was, but I now know).  You don't seem to use them now?  Do you have a preference?
IM:  Oh yeah, I definitely have a preference.  I think one of the biggest benefits of active pickups, and the ones I used for years and years were EMG, was that they eliminate all sorts of problems - noise problems, humming, buzzing, and stuff from electronics - bad wiring in a place in a building can cause all sorts of magnetic interference.  I don't know what it is exactly that does it, but if you go into an old building and the wiring is not shielded properly then it must be transmitting some sort of waves and stuff through the atmosphere.
TMG:  Is it more an issue for recording or live performance?
IM:  Actually it's more live, because recording studios generally will be wired really well.  It comes down to the electricity, the wiring in the building.  And so it's mainly a live thing.  Where the thing will buzz like crazy at a certain angle, and it'll be one of those things where if you turn 90 degrees you'll probably eliminate the buzz, but inevitably, 99.9 percent of the time, that position, where it does go quiet, is totally the wrong position if you're standing on a stage.  Face sideways and it'll be fine, but never is it the right way to stand for the audience.  I don't know why.
TMG:  Were you using active pickups on Sunday?
IM:  I'm digressing all over the place aren't I?
TMG:  That's alright; I'll bring you back...  You're allowed to digress.
IM:  I finally sort of brought the active thing to an end 3-4 years ago.  I'm amazed at how slow my own ears are sometimes.  I must have picked up a guitar with only original pickups and though, oh - cause like everyone else, most of us Strat players I think saw the ultimate tone as Jimi Hendrix kind of tone - and that's what we pursued.  And it was only a few years ago that I picked up a Strat and realised this and thought, "Geez, these EMGs are actually miles away from a real, proper Strat sound - kind of a single polarisation - miles away.  And I found myself doing a fair bit of A/Bing and started really, really not liking EMGs at all.  And foregoing all of the buzzing problems.  The guitar I played last Sunday was the Greg Friar Strat and the pickups in that are Fender - Fender custom 69s.  The blurb is that they are a copy of the way Fender pickups were made in 1969 - around the Hendrix period.  Apparently they've got the lowest inductance - quite a low output - but supposedly more tone.  The only alterations I've made since then is to - all guitar players will identify with this - is when you've got three pick ups with the same output you've always got trouble with the bridge pickup because that's where you get the least amount of vibration in the string, and therefore the least amount of volume - so guys are always looking for a hotter back pickup.  So I've actually had Colin [his luthier, I assume] throw a couple of thousand turns to the bridge pickup of this custom 69 to boost it up.  It's interesting, 'cause after he'd done it he looked on the meter and said it specs up like a Telecaster - and that's what it sounds like to me, somewhere halfway between a Telecaster and a Strat.
TMG:  So two guitars in one....
IM:  Yeah.
TMG:  Alright, I want to switch gears off of guitars and onto music in general - more about songwriting.  Don Walker, of course, gets a lot of credit on your solo work and with Chisel.  But you've written songs yourself.
IM:  Yeah, a few.
TMG:  How much writing do you do?
IM:  Nowhere near enough.
TMG:  How do you do your writing?  That's more important to me, actually.  What kind of zone do you have to get into in order to write a song?
IM:  Yeah....  well, you're right, it is somewhat getting into a zone.  I guess it's that you try to go in your head to a place halfway between sleep and consciousness.  You'll hear stories about people drifting off to sleep and having a little tape recorder or a pen and paper by the side of the bed because it's quite often in that time, in that totally relaxed state, that you get ideas.  The mistake most of us make is sort of being that tired and sleepy you don't want to get out of bed, so you think oh, I'll just let that keep going through my head.  I'll remember that in the morning, I'll remember that in the morning.  And of course, you wake up in the morning and think, oh what was it?!  And you never quite fully remember it, you come up with a slight... an altered version of it, and it's not right.  Essentially you've lost the spirit of it.  And you never get it back.  It's like a little window that opens and the opportunity to reach through that window and grab it right then and there.  And but, generally, most of the time, it's just the thread of an idea, and then comes the 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. 
TMG:  Do you put yourself in a situation to do songwriting.  Do you say, alright, it's quiet in the house right now, I've got a few hours, and I'm going to start writing something and see what happens?  Or do you go away from the house and to a different environment to do it.  Or do you do it like that at all, or just wait for that 1% inspiration to hit you in the middle of the night?
IM:  How you were saying it firstly is how I should be doing it.  Ideally... well, I guess everyone has their own methods, but that's something I need to do.  What I should be doing is getting away from the house.  Because for me, the workplace and the home should be two different things.  But for more than one reason, I dunno, I suppose the fear of not coming up with something.  Everyone goes through this.  "Oh yeah, I've got to write a song today, I'm really looking forward to this.  I'll just, uh, do a bit of office work first.  Just pop down to the bank.  Oh, I'd better do the shopping first."  And you tell yourself that these things have to be done.  But it's all procrastination.  I don't know what that is....
TMG:  I think it's because writing is so personal. 
IM:  Yeah.  It's the fear, because you want to come up with something, so you can always say you didn't have time to get to it....
TMG:  What about collaborative songwriting.  Have some of the songs that you've written been collaborative - where someone will come up with the lyric, someone will come up with the riff and then the rest sort of starts to fall into place?
IM:  It's a funny thing.  It has worked.  I've written songs in both ways.  It is hard, the collaborative thing, because it is such a personal thing.  So it's real easy for you to get an idea and the other person will say....
Rocco came around and we asked him for more milk in our flat whites....  He made us two new coffees.  Nice guy. 
IM:  That is a hard one, because it is such a personal thing, and sometimes you've got this idea and you want to run one way, and the other guy says, why don't we do this, and you're going, uhhhh, that's not what I .....  You know?
I think that ultimately it feels the best if you do the whole thing yourself.  It gives you a good sense of accomplishment as well.  Gee, I did all this and it's great.  But mind you, some of the collaborative writing is good.  I've done' all of my writing with Don Walker.  I tend to think that he likes to take the ball [i.e. to take a song idea from someone else] and run with it rather than do it all on his own.  But I've never been great with the lyrics - I mean, they're good, but they're few and far between.  Whereas Don's pretty good at it.  Songs like Small Town Motel Blues, for example, and Tucker's Daughter was another one, where I'd written all of the music and done a little demo, and it's sort of songwriting by correspondence. 
TMG:  So for you, in general, would you say that lyrics follow music or that music follows lyrics?  Generally?
IM:  In general, it's music first, lyrics second.  But quite often, it's that thing of, going back to that initial seed idea - generally that's just a thread of melody and a thread of lyric.  Whether that be something you've heard before or but quite often it's important to have a look at that initial thread of lyric and try to build on it. 
TMG:  I was going to ask this later, but I sense these are related.  The first question is what are your near term plans professionally?  But I think that's related to another question, what inspires you?  What motivates you?  Those are really interrelated questions.  In 2005 what will you be doing, playing?  Recording? 
The second coffee is the same as the first one, by the way.  Ian looks into the cup and frowns.  I was a little embarrassed, but pushed along anyway....
IM:  The plan is that I'm well overdue for another original album. 
TMG:  Yes.
IM:  So that's the plan, but mind you that I've had these bunch of ideas all sitting on the wrong side of the finishing line for some time now. 
TMG:  Do you have the songs selected for it?
IM:  No, that's what I'm saying, all the songs are all sitting on the wrong side of the finishing line.  No, I don't have them finished.  And until they're finished, you can't really start selecting them. 
TMG:  How do you think you'll progress that?
IM:  Um... I don't know (he laughs).  I don't know.  (A pause....)
TMG:  Is that the most important thing for you right now?  In your life, and in what you're doing right now, is that the most important next step?  To put out another album?  Or are there other projects underway?
IM:  No... there's not a lot of other things at all.  I've got a 16 month old boy. 
TMG:  He's keeping you busy.
IM:  Yeah!  You certainly get a new appreciation for the clock. 
Rocco found the problem with the coffee - the machine was out of milk....  He fixed it and made us 2 more coffees.  That's six so far....
TMG:  So, how has having Julian changed your life?  Or how hasn't it?
IM:  (Laughs)  Oh overall, I think it's been good.  I mean, it's hard, but it's great.  'Cause I'm a slack bastard, and I tend to sort of push that slackness to the point where it takes something really serious to get me going, and, when you've got a small child around, you just have to move....  he comes first.  It's got me up and moving....  A bit (he laughs and jokes) dragging and kicking and screaming.... 
TMG:  Do you get out and about to see other bands?
IM:  Not as much as I should.  In fact, probably that's because I've got this home life to take care of.  But yeah, I know it's important. 
TMG:  One of the things that The Metro Gnome is trying to push along, because, well, I actually think Sydney is moving along in the live music scene - I suppose that's debatable.
IM:  Well, I fuckin' hope so (he says straight into my recorder).  It's about time!  It's the bloody worst city in the country.  Then again, Brisbane's not much better.
TMG:  But better nevertheless....  I do think there's a move up.  I suppose I feel like the late 80s saw a rapid decline in live music in Sydney - and across the country - and then the 90s was the decade of the pokies and the rise of the DJ.  But it does feel like we're on the cusp of a recovery.  And through The Metro Gnome, I want to help push that along.  To get people to get out there.  And whether that's to play or to watch, it's important.  Some purpose built live venues like Space at Pitt and Liverpool, The Marquee around the corner, and The Vanguard in Newtown - to name a few - they're popping up.  They're going to make a go at live music.
IM:  That's good. 
TMG:  So, wrapping up, who are your current influences?  I've been told that when Matchbook came out, you were interviewed ion the radio, and you said that one of your main influences was Terrence Trent D'Arby.  (Ian laughs.)  Do you remember that?
IM:  No.  ...No, I mean, yeah I remember his album.  It'd just been released.  I guess he only really had that album that was big for him.  I can't remember the name of it.  But certainly, that was just a vocal thing.  I think there's some great songwriting on that album.  But... yeah... he was a mighty fine singer. 
TMG:  So is there anyone piquing your interest the same way that that did?
IM:  Well, I must confess to being nowhere near up on that level, and hearing exactly what's happening and being done by other people.  Yeah.... I really need to pull the finger out there. 
My favourite album out right now is by Alison Krause and the Union Station.  Which is country bluegrass, sort of...  it's fascinating with the harmonies.  Keltic, kind of, Irish.  What do they call that?  Irish folk.  Kind of mournful, beautiful, with haunting harmonies.  Shades of that.  But, yeah, it's kind of bluegrass, country.  And with some fantasctic players.  Like the guitar player, Jerry Douglas - he plays a dobro, a slide dobro - overhand.
TMG:  That's becoming a very popular instrument lately, I think.
IM:  Yeah, it's good to see that retro comeback.  Dobros have been around a long time and they've always been canned as a blues thing.  But, Geez, it's good to see players like Jeff Lang, I'd highly recommend anyone to go and see Jeff.  I saw Jeff, well, I heard him, unfortunately I didn't get to go around up front, but I heard him at the Bridgetown Blues Festival recently.  It's just amazing the range of stuff that he does.  I mean he can play any style, but he's got this blues thing down.  All of a sudden it turns into a thundering crescendo, like an orchestra, but with only one instrument - he just builds it and builds it and builds it.  It's fantastic.
Yeah, I've been seriously thinking for awhile about getting back into a semi acoustic kind of guitar.  And just doing a little "back in school" kind of thing - in theory land - looking at a bit of jazz.  Not sort of to become a straight out jazz player, but I'm just looking to throw some new things into my repertoire. 
TMG:  So the way that you refresh yourself is to think out of the square?
IM:  Yeah, I guess so, yeah. 
TMG:  Take the typical Ian Moss routine and challenge it a bit?
IM:  Yeah, I like to look at the odd challenge. 
TMG:  I reckon you're not going to go take a lesson, but maybe you are.  Do you ever do that? 
IM:  Oh yeah... kinda.  These days, I've been, once again, doing it by email.  There's a fantastic guitarist - he's lived in Cairns for the past 25 years, Wayne MacIntosh.  That guy... does he know the guitar back to front?  He started off as kind of a blues player - more blues than rock, in the late 70's here in Sydney in a band called Gunsmoke.  I remember them supporting us at the Lifesaver.  I wasn't really that impressed with many of the support bands, but with this guy I thought, "Man this is real."  It was ever so tasty.  And then he just kind of disappeared.  Then I was up in Cairns and there he had this house, and he'd moved there and he just thought, "Nah, I'm just going to drop out of that Sydney rat race.  I've got myself a boat and all I want to do is play my guitar and fish - teach myself guitar and go out on the reef and do some fishing."  He's got a house just choc-o-block of tuition books and videos and tapes and that guy seriously knows guitar and he knows jazz and.... anyway. 
TMG:  So how will you learn from him over the Internet? 
IM:  It starts with chord charts and cameras and videos and those sorts of things.  Playing a song.  And, as anyone will appreciate, the best way to start is to play a few songs.  Grab a half a dozen songs and just start playing them.  You know, standards, jazz standards.  Cole Porter's Night and Day has been one of the first ones on the list.  He's just sent me a tonne of stuff on the recording 2-5-1 and the jazz harmony.  You know, altered dominant chords and scales you can play over them and... you know....
TMG:  Yes, jazz chords are amazing.
IM:  I guess they are, but then again, it's all - I was living in Adelaide when I was 16 and I went back to trying to learn piano - I didn't maintain the interest - but the teacher I had was a really good jazz pianist and I used to comment about the chords.  And he said, "Mate if you want to know where these really come from, it's classical.  Classical music."  Classical music is where you can find some really fantastic chords.  (His hands formed a complex shape, as if there was a guitar in his hands....)
TMG:  I suppose I need to grow some longer fingers.  I have a 4 fret maximum, and that's a stretch.  (We compared finger sizes.)  I reckon you need to be born with big hands to be a great player. 
IM:  I don't know if it matters.  Phil Small is a good bass player but he's a small guy (5'3") and he's got quite small hands and plays a bloody 5 string bass.
We then talked about Dave Carter and Loonatic Fringe (Dave, he hadn't heard the CD), the US, Arizona, deserts in general, water (or the lack thereof), and Cold Chisel playing in Tucson, Arizona....
TMG:  Why do you think that you guys - that your music - didn't make it in the states?  Was it promotion?  Because it certainly wasn't a lack of skill or talent. 
IM:  No, all it was, was that we should have.... we just had to be there.  We shouldn't have left.  'Cause we were going down real well live.  I can confidently say that we were just knocking them dead everywhere.  But all we had to do was stay there.  I didn't really appreciate it at the time, but it echoes in my head now.  People over there saying, "You've got to be here.  Don't go outside this country and wait for it to happen."  There are so many people there; so many people are lining up to get in the proper people's faces.  They stay there on tour and in stadiums to stay in people's faces.  But we - I almost get angry when I think about how we wimped out.  We quite badly wimped out.  Is that recording? 'Cause you can fuckin' print that.  Yeah, wimped out big time. 
TMG:  I wish you hadn't.
IM:  Yeah.
TMG:  But maybe in some ways you're better off.  Better off professionally.  Better off personally....  You never know what might have happened....
It was a hypothetical situation.  And he didn't answer.  He had talked to me for almost an hour and we had been through some fantastic stories.  But, I sensed that Ian felt regret at that point.   I felt like he wanted more.  He wants to be inspired, to write, and to keep reinventing himself so that he can stay interested in his work.  It's a lesson for all of us actually - you have to prioritise your days to make sure that we do the things that will make us happiest.  We have to make the time for the things that are important.  For Ian, music also happens to be his livelihood, but even if it was just a hobby...  well, you have to make the time to do it.  It won't just happen. 
I said as much to him.  Just like I say throughout The Metro Gnome - you have to GET OUT THERE!  I told him we wanted to hear more from him.  I asked him to make the time.  And to make more music.  He thanked me for the encouragement.  And , with that, we were done.
I sense a great burst of creativity coming in 2005, Ian.  And I can't wait.  Thank you!
Gnome links:
  • The Eagle on the Hill is a GREAT venue.  Aleks Bojanic was an amazing host and runs an exceptional outfit.  If you're in Adelaide - check it out - great bands are there all the time.  If you are planning to visit Adelaide, definitely see what is going on - there's a great view and it'll be a good night out.  We need more places like that in the world!
  • Dave Blight is a great harmonica player and he toured with Ian this year.  You can see what he’s up to on this site:
  • Schecter started as a replacement parts company in 1974.  Marc Knopfler and Pete Townsend helped make it famous.  It is now a full fledged guitar company based in California.  It has a custom shop (Schecter made the symbol shaped guitar for Prince) and a standard range called the Diamond range. 
  • Alison Krauss + Union Station have a website.  Click on the "hear it now" live album link at the top of the page and you can hear snippets of sound from each song:
  • I found a great little interview with Phil Small, called A Beer with Phil Small. 
Acknowledgements:
  • Thank you to Dave Carter for helping me prepare for this interview.  D.C. went on tour with Ian in Europe and Australia a few years ago and had some nice insights.  He is part of a very entertaining duo in Newcastle called, Loonatic Fringe.  You should check them out (and grab a CD):
  • Thanks also to Sue Konon, who seems to have an endless library of rock and roll information in her head. She knows a little bit about everyone and, importantly, knows Joe Malabello, Ian's manager. Without her, I might not have gotten this interview, and without her insight, I might have asked some silly questions. Thanks, Sue!  FYI, Sue is a web designer for (among others) John Swan (www.swanee.com.au).  Check it out!  If you like her work, ask her for a quote:
  • A special "thank you" to Ben Little for driving me to Blacktown and giving me a lesson in active versus passive pick-ups and in amplifiers versus speakers.... well, you know - basic stuff that I should know.  I'm glad I'm not too embarrassed to ask.  And I'm grateful for your patience and constant tuition.  XX XX!

Country Spotlight: Stacey Morris

The Metro Gnome got to see Stacey Morris perform at The Vanguard in November. And we just learned that Stacey has been chosen as one of the top ten female vocalists of the year by judges of the Country Music Association's Golden Guitar Awards and joins fellow Best Female nominees including Kasey Chambers, Melinda Schneider, Sara Storer and Beccy Cole on a who's who list of Australian female vocalists. The Golden Guitar Awards (presented annually in January) recognise and promote excellence in Australian country music.

A seasoned performer, but newcomer to the country scene, it's been quite a year for Stacey! Her single Borders and Boundaries, from her debut solo album of the same name went on sale one week ago, just days after the news that listeners to John Nutting's Saturday Night Country show on the ABC had chosen her rendition of the Carole King classic So Far Away as one of the 15 tracks to be featured on the annual Saturday Night Country (SNC) "Hottest Hits" album.

Stacey talked to The Metro Gnome about her reaction when she found out that she was named in the top 10.

"What do I think? Oh, I'm over the bloody moon! (Laughs.) I cried and then I laughed and then I went into my husband and told him. And he sort of went, 'Oh, OK.' And I said, 'Do you realise what I just told you?' And he said, 'No, you’re waking me up.' 'Cause I didn't find out until quarter to 10:00. I'd just come home from a gig - and I woke all the kids up and told them that I’m in the Top 10 and asked them, 'Do you realise what that means?'

"I tried to explain to my kids, we watched the MTV Europe Music Awards 2004 in Rome, and Maroon 5 - well, they really wanted Maroon 5 to win. And I said, "That's how Mommy feels - you know, I'm in there - it's the just country music scene it’s not the rock and roll scene."

She's excited! Home grown talent, great effort, beautiful production - regardless of the outcome, Stacey has really accomplished a great deal - and she's just getting started....

Next month The Metro Gnome is going to dive straight into the Female Country Music scene and Stacey is going to give us an exclusive interview. Until then, look up Stacey Morris in our gig guide and go check out a show.

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* Stacey Morris’s website is at www.staceymorris.com.au

An Interview with Dai Pritchard

On Wednesday evenings, Dai Pritchard takes the stage by himself at St. Patrick's Tavern in downtown Sydney.  Actually, he sets up on the dance floor in front of the stage in a comfortable manner – like he’s just mingling with the punters.  From the start, Dai confidently plays his Maton acoustic with a consistent rhythm, accompanied by an impressive mix of finger-picking, lead breaks and harmonics.  He sings songs of old in his own style (Cat Stevens, Lou Reed, Otis Redding).  And every now and then, he slips in a newie (Foo Fighters, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Jack Johnson).
Dai PritchardDai spent July in Europe on tour with Rose Tattoo doing 30 shows in 35 days.  So The Metro Gnome caught up with him to find out what makes Dai tick.

TMG:  Let’s start with Rose Tattoo….  How cool was it to be asked to go on tour with the Tatts?  How did it happen?

DP:  Well, I had about 2 weeks notice.  It’s really funny, I’d been trying to get in there for years and years.  Since I was a kid, that was the one band I’ve always wanted to play with.  I used to tell everyone that, before I die, I wanna play with the Tattoos just once.  I’ve always let DeMarco know; I’ve known him for the last 10-12 years because of the connection with Thorpie.  He always knew.  I’d say, “Listen if Pete ever gets sick or Rob Riley ever can’t do it, just give me a call.”  And he always said that he would.  And he did.  He did!  DeMarco gave me a call one day, about a year ago, and he said, “Mate, you could go on, so start learning.”  So I thought, “Fuck!”  I started playing everything.  It turned out that Pete got better, but then I got a call 2 weeks before the tour.  “Start learning.  Learn all of the hits because you and 2 other guys got to audition for the gig.”  So I start learning all of the stuff and then DeMarco calls me up the next day and says. “Right-o, next Wednesday we’re auditioning at the Stage Door.”  Then he rang me back the day after that and said , “Listen, don’t worry about the audition, you’ve got the gig.”  I know Rob Riley, the other guitar player, really well and I know Kingy, the bass player.  So when De Marco said to the guys, “Why don’t we just get Dai to do it” and they said, “Yeah, let’s get him to do it.”


"….before I die, I wanna play with the Tattoos just once."

So I had one rehearsal for about 4 hours with Angry.  And then one without [Angry], but with Pete Wells - which was really cool.  [Pete] came to the rehearsal and he showed me a few things which [were] really, really interesting.  He’s a lovely man.  There’s a couple of tricks that he does.  He did one thing that freaked me out.  I played a couple of tunes.  He sorta sat back and watched.  Anyway, he said, “You’re playing the parts alright, but can I have a look at your guitar?  You see how this is perfectly in tune?  Well we don’t want that.  What you do is take the G string, alright, and you tune it a little bit flat.”  And I said, “Why?” And he says, “’Cause it pisses them right off.”  And it’s true; it’s part of the sound of things; it just creates a tension.  So every night I would put the guitar on and get it all in tune, and as soon as I walked on stage I’d just flatten the G string a little bit.  It is part of his sound.  [Before Pete told me that,] I’d be playing the solos and be wondering, “What is that?”   But it’s just that – he flattens the G string to create musical tension.

TMG:  I hear your fingers got soft with all of the slide playing.  When you got back home you had to build up the calluses again?

DP:  I played slide the whole time.  Pete hardly frets anything.  Everything’s tuned to open E and every now and then he’ll fret a little bit, just on the 5th fret he’ll just hit an A chord.  And that’s it.  Everything’s just slide.  I took my acoustic just so I’d have something to needle around with in the room.  So I played that every now and again.  But for the most part it was all slide.

TMG:  You played with all your own guitars? 

DP:  Ah, no, I didn’t.  I started with mine, I started with a white Strat.  But Pete’s got a sound that’s really cutting.  So luckily DeMarco brought a little Telecaster that he played I his room.  So I used that ‘cause it’s got that really cutting Telecaster sound.  And I did a lot of work with that.


"….[Pete told me to] 'tune it a little bit flat….'cause it pisses them right off.' "

TMG:  What is your best memory of the tour?

DP:  Angry.  We did this live German TV show in Hanover.  It was like a German The Panel.  We played a couple of songs live to air.  As people walked into the TV studio, there was a set of earplugs on every chair.  They’d ask the questions to Angry in German and he had a translator in his ear.  So they’re asking Angry a question, and it could have been something like, “So what do you think of the weather?”  But Angry’s a real have-a-chat, and he’s gone into this huge extended answer.  All of the people are looking at each other, and the host of the show sort of laughs and says something in German and they all start laughing.  We asked someone, “What’d he say?”  And he said, “That’s the longest answer to a simple question that I’ve every heard in my life.”  Anyway, so everyone in the TV studio had a set of earplugs.

Dai with Rose TattooTMG:  And was that for the noise coming from you guys?

DP:  Well the announcer came on and said [Dai imitates a German accent], “Here is Rose Tattoo!”  And the producers were off camera miming to the audience to put in the earplugs.

TMG:  What was the worst part about the tour?

DP:  Just fatigue, you know.  You never get to sleep properly.

TMG:  Did you spend a lot of time together with the rest of the band? 

DP:  We all had our own space, but, yes, absolutely.  There’s a lot of time driving.  We were in a Sprinter, which is like, a Tarago.  So yeah, we got pretty close.  You’ve got no choice.  And the whole band is together the whole time.  They’re a real band.

TMG:  I Googled ‘Dai Pritchard,’ and you know there’s another Dai out there? 

DP:  Yes, an amazing instrumentalist.  And there’s another one – a Welsh rugby player or something like that.

TMG:  Is ‘Dai’ short for anything?

DP:  It’s actually Welsh for David. 

TMG:  You’ve played with some pretty big names in the business (Billy Thorpe, Marcia Hines, Jimmy Barnes, Olivia Newton John, Glen Shorrock and Doug Parkinson to name a few).  Do you play regularly as part of a band with these artists or is it more ad hoc?  How does it work?


"I just wanted to be a guitar hero."

DP:  I played with a lot of these people with The Long Way to the Top tour.  I played with Marcia for Long Way and I’ve done a few corporate gigs with her as well doing Long Way songs.  All the people who did Long Way tend to pull that band back together because we all know the stuff.  So I’ve got a lot of the artists covered.  In a few weeks, I’ve got a corporate gig at the Wentworth hotel with Glen Shorrock and that’s with the Long Way band.

TMG:  Do these ‘stars’ call you themselves?

DP:  Oh yeah.  Like Parko.  He just calls and says, “We’re getting the Long Way band together.”  I did the Bali Bombing benefit on channel 7 with Marcia.  Just me and her with an acoustic, just a duo; it was really nice.

TMG:  Do you sing with all these guys?

DP:  Oh, I didn’t sing with Marcia, ‘cause that would be a bit daunting.  Marcia’s an amazing singer. 

TMG:  Can you take me through your musical background a little bit?  How did you get started?

DP:  I started when I was about 13.  We had a big family, I was the second youngest out of 6 kids, and I was the only one who didn’t get music lessons.  Everyone else got piano lessons, but no one really got into it, so I think my parents gave up on it by the time they got to me.  But there was a guitar lying around, so I got into it.  After a while I put it down, but I picked it up again when I was 15 because I went and saw Alice Cooper.  Oh man!  I saw these 2 guitar players and I said, “I wanna do that.”  So I sold my prized possession, my ice hockey skates, the next day.  [Later] I saw Hendrix on TV.  He was already dead then, but I thought, “What’s this guy doing?”  He was just going berserk.  And that was it; I just wanted to be a guitar hero.  I wanted to do that.

TMG:  So how’d you learn how to play?

DP:  I taught myself.  I started with books and then listened to records.  It was really hard back in those days because it was a record.  You had to put the needle on, and put the needle on, and put the needle on.  If you wanted to learn the solo for Stairway to Heaven, you had to wear the record out.  To wear a groove in it.  To slow the record down I’d put coins on the head.  Weird shit like that.  You worked around it; I played like that for years.  And then I went to a guy named Paul Wiseman in Rockdale when I was about 19 and took some jazz lessons and stuff.  Not that I was really into jazz, but it was to teach me about chords.  I did that for awhile.  Every now and then, if I have a slump, I still like to take lessons.  When I hit a plateau, I’ll go and see someone like Deiter Kleeman (unless you’re a guitar player, you wouldn’t even know who he is - but he’s just a monster), and he’ll just shoot me off in another direction.  The thing is, I play with a lot of guitar players, and you just learn from other guys.  I’ll play acoustic with Randal Waller and he’s a monster.  Rowen, Benny, they’re all good players and when you play with them, you feed off each other. 

TMG:  What other jobs have you had besides playing the guitar?  When you started playing at 19, were you a professional player then?

DP:  Oh shit no.  I left school really young.  I‘ve been a fisherman, a slaughterman, and I was a butcher for a long time.  And just odd jobs and bits & pieces.  And then I started playing and teaching – I still teach now. 

TMG:  You’re always working.  How do you market yourself?

DP:  It’s sort of funny.  It’s a real slow process.  I’m not a real self-promoter.  I don’t have a website or anything like that.  I’ve got business cards and that’s it.  In this country, we’re lucky, because it’s very small, and the scene, well, people might whinge about it, but when you look overseas and when you come back you realise it’s not as bad as you think.  It’s pretty healthy out there.  I mean, I do between 4 and 6 gigs a week.  Overseas, musicians are lucky if they get one.  And they don’t get paid much – they get nothing. 

TMG:  Don’t you tell people when you’re available through email?

DP:  Yeah, I’ll send out an email letting people know that I’m available.  I’ll send it to people who I use and people who use me.  Wednesday through to Sunday, I get what I call “panic calls” ‘cause I’m like “Captain Fill In” for everybody.  I know a lot of people and I sing a lot of songs, so I’m like an instant band.  If they get Dai, they know they’re going to get about 50 songs; so they book Dai.  There’re probably a lot of guys that can play rings around me, but I just know lots of songs.  And so, if I’ve only got, say, 4 gigs on, and I need a Thursday or the Friday, I’ll send emails to people and just let them know I’m available.  Invariably I’ll get at least 1 gig out of it.  Gigs come up on short notice. 

TMG:  How would you characterize your “stage attitude”?  I’ve seen you on a big stage with Billy [Thorpe] and you seem to become a different person.

DP:  Do I?  See I don’t know, I don’t see myself.  Take no prisoners and eat the wounded.  [He laughs.]   No seriously, I just get into the music. 


"If I’ve only got, say, 4 gigs on, and I need a Thursday or the Friday, I’ll send emails to people and just let them know I’m available."

TMG:  How do you make sure your sound is exactly what you want?


Dai and Fender StackDP:  It’s good to have one guitar that you’ve had for a long time.  It’s like an old shirt.  I’ve had an old Fender, an old black Stratocaster, for a gazillion years – since I was about 19.  It’s good to have one guitar you’re just comfortable with.  I’ve got another one, it’s a Fender but it’s been customised by an Australian guy named Frank Grubisa , who’s a great guitar guy - Sydney-based, he’s great.  For amps I predominantly use Marshalls.  I’ve got a Laney as well, which is a good sounding amp, but I just like the sound of the old Marshall.  I’ve used that for everything.  I’ve done Marcia Hines with it - and Rose Tattoo and Billy Thorpe.  Marshall’s are easy amps - made for dummies.  I use different variations of pedals.  I’ve got a floor gig with a wha pedal, that goes into an Ibenez TS9, which is a great overdrive pedal, and then into a Boss GT5 - I use that mainly for colouring, adding delays – things like that.  Then it goes straight into the front of the Marshall.  And that’s pretty much it. 

TMG:  Do you ever give direction to the front of house?

DP:  No, not really.  I just let them do it.  It’s pretty point & shoot. 

TMG:  Do you do any writing? Any recording? 

DP:  I’ve done some original stuff.  I had an original band in the 80s called Der Straza.  I did that for a long time.  I never really went out with covers; it was just originals in the 80s.  And then I went onto the covers later.  We made some singles.  Actually we had a minor hit in Germany (our band had a German name); we were like the Australian version of 99 Luftballoons.  I still write, but just for myself.  I recorded some stuff with Mick and Billy.  About 3 songs. 

TMG:  What about writing for other people?  Do you ever submit your songs for others to play? 

DP:  Yeah, I’m actually going to do that.  I’m going to start doing that this year for the next Rose Tattoo album.  I’ve actually started writing with DeMarco.  I tend to write the melody first.  Then I’ll pick up the guitar and find the chords that fit what was in my head.  I rarely write from the riff, which is really funny for a guitar player.  Usually I write the hook line first, then the melody, then find the chords that suit that, and then I’ll go back and write the lyrics.  That’s what most people listen to; it’s only guitar players who listen to the guitar. 


“….for the next Rose Tattoo album… I’ve actually started writing with DeMarco.”

TMG:  Do you have any big projects?

DP:  I might be going back to Europe with the original singer from AC/DC [Dave Evans].  There’s a big AC/DC convention over there later this year.  The guy who took Rose Tattoo out to Europe asked if I’d be interested.  So I could be doing that.  And that’s about the only think going on.  

TMG:  So for years and years and years you’ve wanted to play with Rose Tattoo and now you’ve done it.  What’s the next pinnacle?

DP:  That’s it.  I’m done.  I’ve done it, man.  Rose Tattoo again.  I’ll have to play with them again.  After the first gig I said to the band, “25 years….  25 years!”  They thought that was quite funny.

TMG:  Any sound bites I can have about what you think of The Metro Gnome so far?

DP:  I like anything that spreads ideas, that makes guitar players think, that helps them find gear.  When I started playing, there weren’t a lot of options.  Kids are lucky like that now – there’re plenty of options.  Back then you had a Fender a Gibson or a piece of shit.  And that was it.  And you couldn’t afford a Fender or a Gibson.  And teaching aids - I wish I had the Internet when I was learning.  There wasn’t even tablature when I was a kid. 


And with that, we ended the interview.  We ordered another round and then Dai went back to his stool, tuned his guitar, and stepped right back into his gig.  You can check out where Dai is playing in The Metro Gnome's Gig Guide! Gnome Links: